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Poster: minty fresh Date: Nov 15, 2006 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Overrated classics

Was just wondering what classic shows have never either lived up to your expectations or you just think are not as good as other people think they are. 11-6-77 Binghampton, NY is that show for me. I actually really like the first set(fierce half-step & music, nice devil & duprees), but the second set just didn't cut it for me after hearing so much about it. After that hot first set, the band seems flat to me from samson through good lovin. It gets better from st. stephen through truckin, but I still wasn't as impressed as others are. BTW, my vote for best truckin will always be portland 5-19-74. On the other hand, my vote for most underrated show has to be 5-25-74 UC santa barbara. It gets overlooked in that great year and the whole show smokes from top to bottom(esp. the truckin->grow->wharf & china/rider). Any thoughts?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 15, 2006 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I hope I am not 'run out of Dodge' for this: Europe 72. Especially the overdubbing of vocals...ugh.

Sorry--you asked, I responded, and may regret it (jk).

Re-read: see you meant non commercial shows--sorry! Nonetheless, this would go, in part, for many of the 72 shows people tried to turn me onto in the past (ie, tapes).

Re-read II: had to look it up, but this is one of shows I just downloaded (only some of the jams) to expose myself to 70s era Dead and I liked it...go figure.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 15, 2006 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I know I am going to get a load of crap for this one, and I'll lose what little credibility I may have had with many folks here, but..... I think 5-8-77 is the most overrated show out there.

Now hear me out. I'm not saying I don't like it, because I do..Certainly it is a very very good show, but the concensus best of all time, I don't think so! I don't even think it is the best from that year.

To me the first set is fairly pedestrian, nothing really stands out as excellent, the Dancin' is nice to see in the first set but IMO is average at best, the Lazy Lightnin> Supp is probably the highlight, but everything else is merely good, not great.

The second set is much better. I think the Scarlet>Fire, while very good, is greatly overrrated, though it does crack the top 10, it is not in my top 5 and The Prophet is just ok. The meat of the set is, however, phenomenal! I love the whole St>NFA>ST sandwich and the Dew is definitely one of the best.

This show plays it too safe to be rated best of all time, I don't think any real chances were taken, and for me those moments, when they worked, were what made the Dead so great.

It is a show that almost 100% of Heads are familiar with, and that certainly adds to its overall rating. It certainly is a great show to introduce newbies to because it doesn't feature anything that is particularly "threatening" (like an extended DS, Other One, Playin, or some of the more esoteric stuff), in fact it is the first show I gave to my 16yo son when he started exhibiting interest in the band. I also definitely think it is a show that everyone should have, not only because of the music, but because it has become such a historic "icon" GD show.

Anyway, bring it on... you know "Sticks & Stones...."

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 15, 2006 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I was waiting to see who mentioned barton hall first. While I completely disagree, I truly believe the whole point of this person's thread was to not play it safe and mention shows like this. I'm sure there will be someone who ranks the 1st branford gig in here too. One man's poison......

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Poster: ksantilli Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

PG- I really agree with you, great show, but overrated.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I'm with Minty on the 2nd set of 11-6-77, but set 1 is so good I think it saves that show.

You want overrated? OK, I know i'm setting myself up for grief, but here are 2...both 2 of the most DL'd shows on the LMA:

1) 2-15-73. Tried it, went "meh", and moved on. (listen to the EYES in set 2...it's the 2nd time played and it's still kind of w/out an 'identity' yet...plus the Stronger than Dirt jam is one of the weakest...tepid and uncertain.)

2) 2-26-77, yep, the Swing show. Everyone raves about the Terrapin, for instance, but if you really objectively listen to it, the lyrics are wrong, it's kind of flat, and ultimately there are scores of better ones. Yes, it has the novelty of being a first set opener, and first live version, but I suspect it gets its rep from that and not its actual worth. Then you have a 2nd set that's good, but not great. (Dancin' i'm told is a highlight, but it's never been a tune I much cared for).

With '77 being my favorite year by far, I just think there are far better examples than that show.

(preparing to dodge the rotten tomatoes as I type....)

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Poster: Olias of Sunhillow Date: Nov 15, 2006 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I must agree with the 2-26-77 Terrapin being overrated -- I've read the "first and best" comment many times, and I've never understood it.

The second set of this show, however, is far from overrated. It smokes, and makes up for the hesitancy exhibited in set 1.

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Poster: RowMortimer Date: Nov 15, 2006 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I'd agree about 2/26/77, but I still like it. Like someone said earlier, it's hard to find a bad 77 show.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 15, 2006 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

As I have stated previously, Greg...

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

"The second set is much better. I think the Scarlet>Fire, while very good, is greatly overrrated"

The wolf has purple teeth tonight....his fav. scarlet->fire.

Poke, poke...9/18/87 is overrated too. Who wants to hear a bunch of gringos sing La Bamba???? ;)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

go to them, old fellow, eat them up!

i don't know if you can call 9/18/87 a classic, but it's damn good!

I'd say 10/31/91 may be a bit overated because of it's historical significance. A great first set, while the 2nd set has it's moments, i found Gary Duncan tedious-including the second half of Darktar....Last Time...a nice SOTM...Throwing Stones...ehhhh....and fade-away-along.
direWerewolfs of Oakland -a rousing encore. But what do i know, i wern't there (damm!) I did make it to GoldenGate Park a few daze later though.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Purple Gel in yer teeth? oh no! mr bill!!!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

What's classic and what's not?

The 'classics', the BIG DADDIES that all the heads know are ALL classics. I guess only Barton can be considered overrated, just because it gets too much attention. It IS a classic, but it is not THAT much better than the many, many other shows we love.

Overhyped? Maybe. Over-debated(look at me, part of the problem)? Absolutely . Top 10 show? That depends on your taste. Most who aren't '77 maniacs, probably rate this well below Top 5.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

i just couldn't resist since highflow egged me on - i couldn't attack purp though - that just wouldn't be right - he's too good a dude. i do howver feel that the cornell show is NOT overrated, but i am probably in the minority on this one - i just feel beginning to end, it is one of the top 10 solid shows i can recall.

9/18/87 - gotta agree it may not be truly in the all time top ten. But certainly in the top 5 of 85-88. Second half of second set is truly awe inspiring in my opinion. Actually the whole second set is :) brilliantly played - again, though, i may be in the minority on this one too.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 15, 2006 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Actually, I started out to defend you, but then came to my senses.

Feel free to put me in the cross-hairs anytime....











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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 15, 2006 3:09pm
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good harvest?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 15, 2006 5:26pm
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you know i would never do that dude - unless in pure fun

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 15, 2006 3:05pm
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here's an underated classic (huh?)....now does he kinda resemble Nancy Pelosi or what! -with all due respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_arzPICEA

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Poster: minty fresh Date: Nov 15, 2006 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

damn! i haven't seen in living color in like 10 years.

underated classic indeed.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 15, 2006 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

a moment of levity...

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 15, 2006 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Is that Nancy showing a lack of Purple Gel between her teeth?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

hmmmm - somebody is trying to start something!! ;)

My kids are here so i cant use profanity - lol. definitely my fav scarlet-fire!!!

and you just leave 9/18/87 alone, you bum :)

(excuse me for a moment, i guess i just have to imagine cleaning out purple gel like stuff from between my teeth since my kids have me on a metaphorical chain at the moment)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Gringos? Don't forget that Jerry was half Spanish. Although he didn't really grow up with much of that heritage.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2006 9:07am
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i know - can you believe the utter rudeness of highflow ;)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 16, 2006 9:27am
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i just had this vision of Jerry having missed the bus and playing in a mariachi band....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 16, 2006 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Well you know how those Californians are.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 15, 2006 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Couldn't agree more, though as the old fart with 68-71 bias, I don't like many post 73 shows. I got this one thinking it had to be good, but it left me flat, and I found others that Ashes et al. turned me onto that fit my taste better (the DS & StSt jams, etc).

So, you have my, albeit meager, support!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 15, 2006 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

Tie me up and drag me behind a stage coach but night 2 of the warlocks in hampton 89. The breakouts are awesome, but there are tons of 89 gigs that are way better includng all 3 nights at Alpine.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 15, 2006 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

People on this board are phychic sometimes. I just gace 11-6-77 the good old "real hard listen" yesterday. Had the same exact thoughts, but was real impressed by the Truckin (Which I rarely am). Started wondering about great Truckin's - Now I have somewhere to look! Thanks Minty!!!!

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 15, 2006 4:21pm
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For me its 6/10/73 RFK (except cd#4 with the Allmans) then 6/9/77. The 2/26/77 swing show was mentioned for a lackluster Terrapin. It was their first live version no?

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Poster: doodle Date: Nov 15, 2006 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated classics

I'm going to go with the Nassau Coliseum with the first appearance of Branford. I've always thought that show was slow and sloppy. As had been said with other years; muchh better spring '90 shows out there.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 15, 2006 6:39pm
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the first terrapin being lackluster? :O

I thought that one was pretty good..... however the commercial release is the best ;o

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 15, 2006 7:16pm
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Shit, keep this thread going long enough, and the final assessment will be that the GD were overrated.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 15, 2006 10:20pm
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Who are the grateful dead and why do they keep following me?

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 15, 2006 10:56pm
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hahha. this is a funny thread..